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APS Selection Case Study: Grant Thornton Sydney

Survey Details
Name of Firm Names of Interviewees: Telephone Email Address
Grant Thornton, Sydney Shelley Coleman - IT Manager +61 2 8297 2400

scoleman@gtnsw.com.au


Involvement in selection process:
As IT Manager, I was fully involved in the selection process.

Section One General
_ Questions _Answers
a. When did your firm implement its APS Advance Practice Management system In June 2001
b. How many users do you have? 115 (initially 150)
c. Which APS products have you taken out licences to use? Practice Management, Xcede Professional Accounting and Practice IQ… and we are looking at Tax 2004
d. Who was you previous supplier and how long were you using that supplier’s software for? Sol6 – we were with them for several years.
e. From start to finish, how long did the meeting, testing and decision-making process take that saw you move over to APS? The whole process took approximately 7 to 8 months.
f. Was your decision to move over to APS made on gut-feel, or was it more scientific than that? Please explain how you went about making your decision…. (e.g. team approach: IT manager, IT Partner, Work Group etc…) It was more scientific – we had a project team and project outline which looked at ‘does it do this does it do that’; we needed to ensure the product was future proof for the practice.

We also undertook lots of investigative work into APS itself to ensure that it would be around in 10 years time, as this was critical to our Partners.
g. How long did you pilot and test the Advance product set for functionality – and how many people were involved? Was the APS team accommodating in this process or did your APS contacts press you to make an early decision? We looked at several products over a 7 month period - CMS Open, Xlon (pre-Sol6), Regional Practice (Sol6, now defunct), MYOB could not really offer anything at the time.

The APS team didn’t push for an early decision – but were very accommodating.
h. Did testing the Advance product set provide any positive surprises in terms of embedded functionality that you did not know about….. functionality that could help your business in a way that a PM system had not previously? There were no real surprises at the outset. However, we found that Advance could do lots of things we weren’t expecting once it had been installed – things we weren’t really aware of in testing and training.
i. APS prides itself on its ability to listen to its customers regarding their business needs and business aims and its commitment to then work closely with customers to meet and achieve them. Tell us about the APS approach from your perspective… It has worked out that way – the team is very approachable. They like to assist in every way but don’t always have the manpower….. so they have done extremely well with number of people they have. That said, we have had better service than we ever had with Sol6 over 13 years.
j. Did you feel that APS was ahead of its competitors in terms of its functionality and how did you verify the fact? (e.g. pilot / product testing methodology) Definitely – there wasn’t and still isn’t anything else on the market like APS Advance.
k. Now that you have been using APS products for over 2 years, has the product and service met your expectations? Please tell me about it……. It wasn’t the smoothest start due to the fact we were the largest site to switch to APS at the time (2001) - but 90% of our expectations were met. For instance our early training was not the best and some of the features demonstrated that the partners were expecting were not there on day one…. but most were added on in due course while some are still under development. Also, Outlook integration was missing to start with although it was expected to be included. But this year, Practice IQ v3 has been a big step forward.

Section Two Product
_ Questions _Answers
a. Functionality Testing


i. Looking at APS from a product perspective, what were the most important factors from a functionality point-of-view that were seen as critical to your business – the things that APS had to have if it was to be considered as a your practice management and tax preparation software provider? APS’ industry standard database was the key item for us… being able to get the data out of it really mattered to us because we couldn’t do this with our previous provider… But APS’s SQL database had this covered.

Secondly, APS’ windows-based product was a big leap forward over our previous provider.

The third factor was Advance’s Reporting abilities.
ii. For your firm, what were the 3 critical things that the APS Advance product and service offers over the competition that helped finalise the decision to go with APS in place of your incumbent supplier? 1. its open database,

2. its future direction

3. ease-of-data manipulation in the way we wanted to view it
b. Ease-of-use testing


From a functionality point of view you have told us why you moved to APS. Ease-of-use is also important: how did you make sure that Advance is easy-to-use from a practitioners’ perspective? Certainly, it was much easier to use than our previous central database…. We were stunned by it!
c. Future Development  
  What would you like to see APS add to its product set in its next releases of Advance that will assist your business? What does it need to do to stay ahead of its competitors? We would like to see APS keep up with the enhancements that Grant Thornton requests from time to time – as well as with the changing needs of practices.

Sometimes, it’s the little things that can make all the difference. For example, APS has a website where requests can be lodged and those requests slowly turn into upgraded functionality. We would like to see quicker turnaround on enhancements and more feedback regarding the status of the requested enhancements.

The Development of Tax seems to be taking up lots of APS time which seems to be forthcoming but slow. We would recommend APS sets up an enhancements / project team separate from the support team.

Section Three Corporate Situation
_ Questions _Answers
Were the following factors important to you in determining if APS was the right provider for your firm to go with:-
a. The fact that APS is a profitable business? APS prides itself on the fact that it has posted a profit every year since inception in 1991 Yes it is. The Stockford (APS’s one-time owner) situation was a worry to the Partners but that is all in the past now thankfully.
b. The fact that the Advance product set traces its lineage and development path directly to its first release in 1994 ….. there has been no deviation from the product roadmap – merely incremental annual upgrades to the product. This has meant that customers have not had to waste time and money implementing new systems on an intermittent basis Yes this was a very important factor. It builds confidence and trust in the product and the people.
c. What other corporate stability factors would you recommend that firms should consider when choosing a Practice Management system supplier? Firms should always look for a robust product… and ease of upgrade and installation is important. APS has to be installed on each machine.

Also, trainees must find the selected product it easy to use – and we have found that our trainees can use APS.